tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10815380.post398789749202953662..comments2024-03-14T12:42:51.995+00:00Comments on Chris Whiteside's Blog: The Worst of Both Worlds 3: "a puerile barrage of dodgy statistics."Chris Whitesidehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02888720969479013951noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10815380.post-28560047048776462142016-01-26T19:50:31.910+00:002016-01-26T19:50:31.910+00:00And that is just it, its not my opinion, its th...And that is just it, its not my opinion, its the facts of the matter presented in the workable exit plan. Do I like it all - actually no, but its honest, and its workable. That is what makes it so good. I don't really like a lot of it, but life is like that, and these are the cards we are dealt.<br /><br />there is never going to a "perfect answer" there never will be, but a plan, which is real world workable, to get where you want to be going is, at least in my book, a blooming good way to start.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00373005279697295131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10815380.post-9374917544563101772016-01-26T19:44:25.819+00:002016-01-26T19:44:25.819+00:00But flexcit is not disagreeing with you, its poi...But flexcit is not disagreeing with you, its pointing out that it the best way forward with the real world options we have.<br /><br />What is deceitful is to pretend its the end, when its not. That is my point.<br /><br />I am not accusing you of telling porkies, I am simply stating you are not looking at the bigger picture, taking stage 1 as the end and presenting it as such does not help anyone.<br /><br />Whilst I do agree that your analysis of the current people running to lead both campaigns is correct> I am simply pointing out that to state there is no exit plan is simply misleading there is, a brief version of it is <a href="http://eureferendum.com/documents/flexcitlite.pdf" rel="nofollow">here</a><br /><br />So now we do have it, though its largly ignored while the MSM keep asking for it, and we keep providing it, so they ignore that, and then ask again a couple of weeks later.<br /><br />I ask what is the "remain" plan? what is it?<br />where is the stuff about we should remain in the EU because - and then go though the advantages of remaining subordinate to a supranational organisation. (and do it honestly as Flexcit does)<br /><br />So from the leave side, well there is the exit plan, the cards are face up on the table. Talk about giving the advantage, but that is the state of play. so we wait.<br /><br />or are we going to get bogged down again in Vote Leave / Leave.eu rubbish as its part of the bubble?<br />Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00373005279697295131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10815380.post-1446457877651084562016-01-26T19:11:44.933+00:002016-01-26T19:11:44.933+00:00I realise that is your opinion, Jim, and I'm n...I realise that is your opinion, Jim, and I'm not taking issue with that opinion in this article. <br /><br />What I'm objecting to is people accusing others of lying about the issues with the Norway/EEA option when the latter make statements about the problems with that option AS IT STANDS AT THE MOMENT which I personally agree with.<br /><br />I would not approve of people accusing those who disagree with me of lying either - we should be able in a mature democracy to accept that people can disagree on this one without either side lying.Chris Whitesidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02888720969479013951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10815380.post-8056043708672728592016-01-26T17:29:29.725+00:002016-01-26T17:29:29.725+00:00As I said earlier, The point about the EEA/EFTA r...As I said earlier, The point about the EEA/EFTA route (or Norway option if you prefer) is not that its ideal, but more it is workable in the 2 year negotiation period of Article 50. Its an off the shelf solution that Wont significantly affect trade, as we keep single market access, so wont cause Havoc and it is workable, both politically and economically.<br /><br />Its not ideal, nothing ever is, but when you sit down and look at the facts then you will realise its actually our best bet.<br /><br />It was designed as a "stepping stone in" to full EU membership, but any stepping stone in, quite naturally serves as a "stepping stone out"<br /><br />Once again Flexcit is a <b>6 stage exit plan</b>, What seems to be insinuated by your post is that Stage 1 is the end, its not, Its pretty much the beginning.<br /><br />I likened this to a travel agent showing you the departure lounge at Manchester airport and saying "this is where our opponents want to take you on your holidays" - its not untrue that the rival travel agent will take you to the departure lounge at the airport, but its not like they intend for you to stay there for the full duration of your holiday.<br /><br />Flexcit is simply pointing out that going via Manchester is a nicer and better way to get to the final overseas destination, than going on a double decker bus, or getting a taxi.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00373005279697295131noreply@blogger.com