Quote of the day Monday 8th June 2020







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Jim said…
Only disagreement here is "borrowing your savings", it does not really do that anymore, it borrows instead from central banks. Thus "money" is created.

There is of course an entire discussion here that nothing is actually owed because noting was ever lent, just a double entry on a balance sheet, then comes the whole debate on paying the "interest" on what was lent, which was of course nothing.

Its no wonder with scams like this on a global scale that people are saying how mavellous it is that interest rates can go negative.
Chris Whiteside said…
Oh, the loan is real because you can spend it.

If you can use a type of money to buy whatever you like on the same terms that the items concerned would normally be available, then it's not just notional money, it is real money.

There do have to be controls on the ability of banks to create money or you get all sorts of problems.

And as you know, I do not regard negative interest rates as a good thing.
Jim said…
but it cant be real if its only been created from nothing.

One side of a balance sheet is a liability "loan to jim £1000"
at the same time put an entry on the asset side "loan to jim £1000"

Nothing has been handed over and nothing has been lent by the bank.

you can buy things with it due to legal tender laws, but that still does not mean something was lent when it wasn't.
Chris Whiteside said…
If it swims like a duck, waddles like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then for most practical purposes it can be treated like a duck.

If the bank gives me something which they call a loan, with which I can buy a car, a meal, pay a builder, take cash out of a cash machine, or do any of the other things we normally use money for, which I would not otherwise have been able to afford, but am ultimately liable to pay back, then for all practical purposes it can be treated like a loan.
Jim said…
If my friend dave prints a load of good quality tanners and I go and buy some stuff with them, is that a loan from dave?
Do I owe him anything over the material and a bit of a printing fee?
Jim said…
Looks like a boe note, smells like a boe note, trades like a boe note and has the same nominal value as a boe note.

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